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posted by [personal profile] emef at 03:06pm on 27/11/2018
Saw this tumblr post a while ago. I don't want to link to it; in fact I don't even know if it's still up; but here is a screencap:





So, love and respect are two different things.

But I’ve been thinking about this for a long time (like, that screencap is from early September) and the thing is, I know that "love and respect are two different things" are empty words to anyone who doesn’t already feel that way. You can spend actual literal years in therapy (true story) before getting to the point where you grasp that deserving unconditional love, and deserving respect/admiration/courtesy/other, are separate things. And it’s hard to explain.

I was raised by people who tended to act like they cared about me when I was making them happy. I made them happy when I looked and acted the way they wanted, and what they wanted was someone perceptive, beautiful, mature, clever, who is liked and admired by other people. So for a long time I thought that love was something you got in exchange for being special in the right way at the right time. In other words, I thought of it as a contract.

Most of the rage I felt in my early twenties was about the fact that this tacit contract was being broken. I did my best to be the person my parents wanted, but they kept reacting in arbitrary ways. And I was enraged, because I’d done my part. Why didn’t they care about me in return? I had fulfilled my part of the contract, my 25-year-old mind thought, so why didn’t they? I was consumed by rage and that was all I thought about; it was all I discussed with my therapist at the time.

It took years before I got to the point of reconsidering the original contract. Years before I took a good, long look at the dynamic between my parents and myself, and realized that it is unfair for love to only exist in exchange for behaviour control. I’ll be honest: the words “unconditional love” still make me think that sounds fake, but okay, but mostly my rational self gets the idea: people who genuinely love me won’t stop loving me if I play out of tune sometimes, or if I spend an entire month without saying a single witty thing, or if I write something embarrassing, or if I act like a dumbass. If I do something that warrants it, they may act differently towards me. They may admire me less, respect me less; they may be discourteous. But that isn’t the same as denying love.

Another way to think about it is: it’s like when you compete for something. Imagine a 12-year-old in a dance competition. The emotionally healthy thing is for the result of the competition to have no impact whatever on the love of her parents or guardians. That’s what unconditional love means.

Why did I go through my whole personal history to get to the point: I keep thinking about how my 25-year-old self would absolutely never have understood that writing the original post is an act of violence. I would never have understood that, to anyone who has ever reblogged a “you are loved!” post, this post sounds like “fuck you and your love.” And I guess part of me wants to say: I get it. I get it, but also, OP, look into therapy.
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out_there: B-Day Present '05 (Default)
posted by [personal profile] out_there at 11:53pm on 27/11/2018
I’ll be honest: the words “unconditional love” still make me think that sounds fake, but okay, but mostly my rational self gets the idea: people who genuinely love me won’t stop loving me if I play out of tune sometimes, or if I spend an entire month without saying a single witty thing, or if I write something embarrassing, or if I act like a dumbass.

Hmmm. I both agree and disagree with this. Or, hmmm. Unconditional love rings false to me too, because I don't think love should be unconditional -- I don't think you're obliged to love someone regardless of how they treat you. You're not obliged to love someone who's careless with your emotional or physical needs.

But at the same time, yes, love isn't conditional upon meeting behavioural standards or a certain level of success. Love isn't a reward for getting an A+ or being a perfectly mannered member of society. Love accepts that we are people, that we are imperfect, that we do our best but we get tired and sad and angry and don't always make the best decision.

I don't know the words to separate the two concepts in my head, but that's why "unconditional love" rings false to me.

I would never have understood that, to anyone who has ever reblogged a “you are loved!” post, this post sounds like “fuck you and your love.” And I guess part of me wants to say: I get it. I get it, but also, OP, look into therapy.

Good advice. And also weirdly satisfying to look back at 25y.o. you and be able to see the growth that's happened since then, the concepts you understand now that you never would have seen back then.
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posted by [personal profile] emef at 02:34am on 28/11/2018
ohhhh.. I really think that when my therapist talks about unconditional love, she's talking about whether people deserve to be loved unconditionally? Not about whose love that should be, and definitely not about what people owe or are obliged to feel. I'm pretty sure she would say that if you feel something then you feel it, and if don't feel something then you just don't. And that you shouldn't try to control your feelings because you think you should feel something different. But you know what, I'll ask her tomorrow.
out_there: B-Day Present '05 (Default)
posted by [personal profile] out_there at 02:39am on 28/11/2018
"she's talking about whether people deserve to be loved unconditionally? Not about whose love that should be, and definitely not about what people owe or are obliged to feel."

Huh. Yeah, that's a lot more of a feelings-first apprpach, but I get your point. Conditions vs obliged are two separate things.
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posted by [personal profile] marginaliana at 02:22pm on 28/11/2018
I don't have anything intelligent to say, but I just wanted to let you know that I read this and I'm thinking about it. <3
emef: daisy passed out at the typewriter (Default)
posted by [personal profile] emef at 06:01pm on 28/11/2018
<3
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posted by [personal profile] corvidology at 07:26pm on 03/12/2018
I always struggled with "love is blind."

I related to it but only in a giving way not in a receiving way... and then realized that was totally fucked up as well.

What I've come to realize is that love is when someone sees you clearly, warts and all but those warts don't blind them to loving you... if that makes sense.

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